Source: ‘I Don’t Understand Why This Is Not Allowed’ - A man and a boy, 12 years old, talk about their relationship; Interview conducted by P. de Jong; Appeared originally in the Dutch pedophile magazine OK; Translated by Leo Toledo; Nambla Bulletin, Vol. 12, No. 5; June 1991
Interviewer: Now, a difficult question: do you also play sex games with each other?
Johan [age 30]: Well, sometimes. Sometimes we both are in a rather hot mood, [Serge, age 12, is laughing] and then something happens, yes. […]
Serge: You always initiate it!
Johan: Then don’t challenge me!
Interviewer: Serge, do you also like it, or do you do it on account of Johan?
Serge: No, I like it myself.
Interviewer: Are there also things you don’t like? Does Johan sometimes get it his way and you don’t?
Serge: No. And should Johan do something I don’t want, then he knows very well what would happen!
Interviewer: What do your parents and schoolmates think of your relationship?
Serge: My parents don’t know about it. Oh yes, they approve my visiting Johan but don’t know everything. […] Yes, but my mom doesn’t believe that. She believes I would tell her. But I won’t.
**Interviewer:**Don’t you find it annoying to keep matters a secret?
Serge: No. I’m not going to tell all. My friends at school know for sure that I visit Johan and that he takes pictures of me, but not the rest. Besides, no nude pictures - bare chest at the most.
Interviewer: Serge, is Johan kind of an extra daddy to you?
Serge: No, no, not that. I wouldn’t want that. I’ve got already two; one real and one not real. The not-real one is very nice, but Johan is just a friend. […]
Serge: I don’t understand why this is not allowed, sex between boys and men. That doesn’t make sense.
Interviewer: Many people claim that kids don’t really like sex with men.
Serge: I think most of us do like it. Otherwise they would tell their parents, seems to me. […]
**Interviewer:**Are you in love with each other?
Serge: No, I like him a lot, but I am not in love.
Johan: I am! I am in love with Serge.
Serge: You forgot to ask: When I stay overnight do I sleep on the sofa or in bed with Johan?
Interviewer: Well?
Serge: In bed!